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Here are some verses which demonstrate that it IS possible to fall away. And it is pretty easy to do it, too. Therefore we must give the more earnest heed to the things we have heard, lest we drift away. Hebrews Those cold towards God, and those lukewarm, will be rejected in the Final Judgment. It means we really give attention to the full message of the gospel so its power will keep working in us. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
Galatians There is a bit of a fad going on today in Christendom where people are trying to become more Jewish in their customs in order to please God. This is what Paul was addressing here in Galatians. This verse proves that people CAN fall from grace. You can do it through legalism, which comes in various forms. You can also do it through loving the world, as Demas did compare 2 Timothy with Colossians and Philemon Grace is what empowers you to know and love God and forsake sin.
It is not a word or a provision that invalidates every warning in the New Testament given to believers. Jesus explicitly states that many fall away. Concerning the stony ground hearers, Jesus said in the parable of the sower:. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke If you do not give more earnest heed to the Word until it germinates and produces a root deep into your heart, you are going to fall away when trouble comes.
These people actually believe — for a while. The point is, you have to keep believing or you will be lost. And to keep believing, you have to keep paying attention to the Word of God. Jesus made this statement the night before He was crucified. He made it to apostles. If anyone does not stay connected to Jesus, he will be cast out as a branch, wither and thrown into eternal fire. This is straight up and down, black and white. I know it is severe. Jesus does not promise salvation to those who do not want Him. It is basically because there are teachers everywhere, especially on TV and radio, who tell us day after day that once we have believed there is nothing to fear.
Many other verses in the Bible prove that it is possible to lose your salvation. Add to your faith virtue, knowledge, self-control, godliness, brotherly kindness and Christian love. All this is done by the power of the Holy Spirit as you humble yourself and give heed to the Word of the Lord, especially about the power of the cross and blood of Christ.
Michael is the founder of christian-faith. Support Michael's mission work here - paypal link. Asserting that salvation cannot be lost does not make it so. Kindly deal with the Scriptural evidence of the article. But that does NOT imply that living by faith and turning to God is optional for those who wish to inherit eternal life.
We need to keep believing. We need to hold fast the confession of our hope to the end. The Spirit of God departed from Saul. On the contrary, it says that those who have been sanctified by the blood and then forsake the way would have been better off never starting on that way. The past tense declarations of what God has done do not negate the warnings of Jesus and the apostles.
These past tense declarations are conditional. This can be seen from the Scriptures I expound on in the article. There are also past tense declarations concerning us being perfect, and being healed. Hopefully people will acknowledge that Christians can still be imperfect, and can still be sick, even though God provided a complete salvation in every area.
Can we walk away? I am quoting phrases used in the New Testament itself. There is no way salvation can be lost. How so? It is Jesus imputed righteousness in us That covers us. His blood covers our sins. There is not one who can say that the Holy Spirit will leave us. Ephesians In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, When is the Holy Spirit removed? Ephesians And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. The saved persons sins are nailed to the cross.
Colossians And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Colossians Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Sins were judged at the cross. So what sins remain to condemn a saved person? Oh we can just walk away right?
Will Jesus not leave the 99 to go find the lost one who strayed? Rewards are. Thank you for your reply, and I truly believe we can fall away into wilful rebellion, and walk away from God, some say you will be on death row, meaning you have walked away from the light of Christ, and have fallen prey to satan, your flesh, and the temptations of the world, which is just a season in exchange for eternal life. I do get discouraged at times, but remain faithful, most churches here teach a watered down gospel, where you can live for the world and sin, and still go to heaven, aka OSAS.
Yes, I do believe that you can find repentance if you are truly sorry for your sin and truly from the heart want to come back to God again. As you have mentioned, there are many examples in the Bible where this is the case. The only case where the Bible says repentance is no longer possible is where you make a willful choice to leave God, after you knew Him well, knew His power at work in your life, and you choose to not follow Him, knowing full well He is God and you publicly denounce Him before people, like the jews in the Hebrew passage were doing, publicly announcing their alliance to Jesus and thus putting Jesus to public shame.
Falling into sin because you were deceived by it and attracted by it verses willingly choosing to separate yourself from the God you know is real is where the difference is. Willing choice to give up Jesus verses temporary sinning here and there, even willfully for a while, only to return with sorrow for the sin and repentance. The only one you cannot repent from is the willing choice to separate yourself from Jesus and renouncing Him publicly in front of the church or before other believers, etc.
So be assured that if you fell in sin, you can come back to God.
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It might not be as easy to feel His presence right away or to get close to Him at first, as it is hard when you have been backslidden to recover the closeness with God that you once knew, it will take time so you have to be patient. Thank you for this message sir, my question is, do you believe if a born again soul falls again into sin, becomes lukewarm, and in some form of compromise, they can never find repentance again?
I believe we can loose our salvation for sure, some say if you sin again after salvation you are through, no way back, you are hopeless and condemned, because you sinned against the knowledge of the truth. I believed this for quite awhile, and know falling back or backsliding is spiritual death, but as I see with the seven churches, Peter, David, the prodigal, ect, they found mercy again, and some did not such as Kind Saul, and Judas, Demas.. I agree with Terry on this — and Jean is supporting.
I think O. Is God so busy finding parking spaces that , people die in an earthquake remember Haiti? I pray for Gods will to be done here on Earth as it is in Heaven. Christ came to me at 19 and I lasted about a year. It was beautiful for awhile, then big changes that I could not manage.
I am much older now. I have done some selfish things and some unselfish things. I just want God to know that I am sorry for shaming Him. Not sure if I should keep trying or just accept my dreadful fate. I do not trust people to much and that makes it even worse. Nonetheless, thank you for this website.
But I know what I would do. I would swim back to the boat, climb back in and step out again till I got it right. All Christians have bad experiences but only those who truly abide in Christ will keep moving forward. Remember the Apostle Paul words in Ephesians ,14 Having done all, to stand, Stand therefore…just keep standing and trusting and moving on with the Lord Jesus! Jesus told us in this world you will have tribulations but be joyful for He has overcome John Just let some joy flow and watch what God will do for you.
If His Kingdom has invaded the world then surely it is just as real and material as the presence of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 10 1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Craig i thought what you wrote was really good and agree with you. Enduring to the end is not that the person hasnt already received eternal life by faith in Jesus Christ as once done that is a done deal.
Enduring to the end is to encourage those who are persecuted to keep believing in Christ and dont lose there faith and trust in God and to be strong in the faith. In doing so they will get there reward from the Lord because they trusted him more than the fear of death. They overcame them there persecuters with love for the Lord that is true courage.
Rich we are not destined to struggle with sin but overcome it we only struggle when we arent walking in the truth that only in Jesus can we be overcomers it took me a long time to realise that. Now i dont struggle with sin like i used to because the victory has been won i just have to believe it. By faith we receive eternal life by believing in Jesus its by faith that we are saved and are overcomers by faith in Jesus,that sin shall not have dominion over us.
We are not looking ahead to overcoming sin but are looking back at it through the cross we won satan lost we have the victory Jesus has given us his holy spirit to help us do that. Though in our strength we are weak but in Christ we are more than conquerers.
Becoming an overcomer is the first step the next is to love the Lord with all our hearts thats the difficulty because we then have to fully die to self. A criticism I often hear and see written is that Christianity is irrelevant. Craig Giddens says — I think you are misunderstanding what I am saying. In the Old Testament God promised a kingdom to Israel; a real literal kingdom. As a matter fact many people will quote Isaiah during the Christmas season and not pay attention to verse 7. Isaiah 9 6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. Go back and look at the verses I referenced in Matthew Signs and wonders are primarily for the benefit of the Jew. We in the body of Christ walk by faith, not by sight. Those are kingdom signs in Matthew 10 validating to the Jews who Jesus was.
Jesus not only came offering them their promised kingdom, but required a changed heart. The Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah and their promised kingdom has been set aside for a future fulfillment. The kingdom of God is still the message of the church, but it is the spiritual aspect; the changed heart. Because it is a spiritual kingdom it is God indwelling us making us new creatures in Christ Jesus and changing us so that our lives are dramatically changed. The church is not here to change the world.
We are here as ambassadors for Christ calling people out of the world because one day God is going to judge this world. I write this way because I am becoming more convinced that the Kingdom of God is much more than just the church. The teaching of Jeremy Myers takes us in that direction I think and that seems to accord with scripture. I would argue that the church must change the world and has already changed the world.
A couple of examples are; that it is the church that established universities, it is the church that established hospitals, it was church people who worked to abolish slavery in the west, church people lobbied the British Parliament for an age of consent, the emancipation of women comes from Christian teaching. For better or for worse it is unarguable that the church changed western Europe in the wake of the decline of Rome. Where the church has capitulated to this reproach, secularism has risen apace.
Jesus specifically said that his followers were not of the world but at the same time were not to be taken out of the world Jn I see in the scriptures that the Lord intends to somehow dramatically intervene in history and radically reshape the world, but in the mean time it is clear that the Gospel calls us to live and work in the world in preparation for that day.
Remember the parable of the talents. I apologise if some of what I write is hard to make sense of. I am not a scholar, just a seeker after the Lord and His Kingdom. Neville i liked what you wrote some really good points and churchs today are still making a difference in society though society is becoming more secular. My thinking is as the world gets darker and as it moves away from christian principles the light of Christ in believers will grow proportionately brighter.
We are here to make a difference we are in the the world but not of the world. In Christ we have been given life and light to share with those in darkness so that they might have there freedom. Sure ,calling people out of the world into the Kingdom is biblical, but it seems that too often Christians think that means calling people to come to church, which is not the same thing.
Scripturally , the church is to go out into the world. I have a friend who is in a political party that goes under the banner of Christianity and seeks to transform society by applying Christianity as a political platform. Remember Jesus said that the Kingdom of Heaven is like a small seed that grows into a giant tree, or a small bit of yeast that spreads through the whole loaf. Neville there were times when dominionism worked for Israel which were the exceptions rather than the rule but generally it didnt sadly because of the wickedness of peoples hearts.
Power tends to corrupt people ie in the case of nebbucanezzar especially when they succeed. Like you i think Gods people have more impact by just letting Christ work through them could be me but i find politics tends to involve power money and compromise.
Regardless of what political state we find ourselves Gods sovereign and his will be done on earth as it is in heaven. My focus is real simple just follow Jesus with all my heart mind soul and strength and love others as myself and that is just following Jesus daily and trusting him in everything. Only the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth 1 Timothy has the truth to show how a person can enter into the kingdom of God. Once people are reconciled to God and are changed by the life of Christ they will impact the world.
People all over the world are entering into the kingdom of God by believing in Jesus, however the world will never be a place of righteousness and peace until the Prince of peace returns. Craig i agree totally church should be a slice of heaven on earth that is where corporately as believers come into the prescence of God. Its good when worshiping the Lord to feel his prescence and to feel connected to others because of Jesus.
We had our carol service yesterday i was involved in the choir we combined with other churchs in the area it was a good turnout and alot of fun singing as we celebrated the birth of Jesus. It really makes christmas for me. If we love Jesus that should spill out into every area of our lives. He is the one that impacts others through us as we rely on him daily. Merry Christmas to you and your family regards brentnz.
Neville i was thinking there have been men that i respected in politics like Nelson Mandala Abraham Lincoln Teddy Rosevelt Winston Churchill so there are exceptions all these people and many more struggled and overcame there own personal demons that is why they were great leaders statesman. That always involves faith believing in something greater than yourself and humility knowing that its not possible in us alone but with God all things are possible.
This thread started with the question, Can a Christian lose Salvation? Jesus famously spoke about those who are first now, being last later, and those are last now, being first later. I guess God will judge the greatness of those people that you mention above, but I have this thought, that in the Kingdom of Heaven, the notable high achievers will be people who nobody has heard of or celebrated in the kingdom of the world.
Neville i mentioned those people only because the discussion was talking about dominionism the combination of the church and state as a governing rule all those people were government leaders all of them suffered in there own way. Its was the suffering that prepared them for the roles that they were to play and there faith in God was what helped them get through. We are made stronger in our weakness no matter how important or unimportant we may appear to others. I guess it is easy to fall into the lie about political involvement that its hard to make change but some people have had a huge impact.
Really it is God who deserves the praise he is the one that creats the opportunitys to make impact on the world as in our strength we can do nothing. In hebrews the great men and woman of faith there are those that seemed unimportant to the world and many suffered for there faith Our Lord knows everyone by name and every small act of faith we do he remembers because we do it out of our love for him that is what the christian walk is about living for Jesus and sharing that love with others.
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Yes, I believe the Bible teaches that Christians can lose their salvation. Of course, that assumes they were ever saved to begin with and only God really knows that. It is futile to try to argue whether anyone is truly saved, since the best we can do is make an educated guess based on their professions of faith and their fruit. Could that person lose their salvation? The Bible gives many examples of people who began well but dropped out of the race and lost their salvation. Not all Christians will make it to the finish line as Paul did and then said to Timothy at the end of his ministry: 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
What people fail to understand is that the promises of God are conditional upon the fact that we do our part. We are not robots that God arbitrarily chooses to save no matter what we do. He may have called us but we responded and we cherish the gift he offered to us by doing everything possible to stay in relationship with him and be faithful, obedient servants. So much of the Bible confirms this concept. Do you want incontrovertible evidence?
Heb 10 26 For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries. This does not mean that there is no repentance accepted when we fall, since we will always be dependent on the mercy of God, but I quote this to provide specific proof that an erstwhile believer clearly can lose his or her salvation.
If it works for you to do everything possible for Jesus because you love him so much, more power to you. There are others however who need to be reminded not to take their salvation for granted. Each person has to examine themselves. There are things we should judge. For instance we should judge false teaching and the teaching that a believer can lose their salvation is false teaching. If winning the race means keeping your salvation then that would mean only one person could be saved since only one person can win a race.
If you look earlier in the 1 Corinthians you will see that all believers will stand at the judgment seat of Christ. This is not to determine salvation or if someone gets to enter heaven, but the believers works are judged and they are rewarded based on how they let Christ live in and through them. I challenge you to name one person in the Bible who was saved and lost it. The only condition that a person must meet in order to be saved is to believe the gospel John , John , Romans , Romans , Galatians , Ephesians We are blessed with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ Ephesians 1: 3 Some of these blessing include:.
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So by your logic, Paul is saying that only one person gets a reward? Even if they were faithful enough in their belief to be saved, the inferior works they did may merit no reward. I can imagine you are saying those people were never saved, but certainly you would not be able to provide any proof of that. It is a warning to not be complacent and think that anything goes with God or that we can live however we want as long as we are doing something in the name of God. Ephesians is saying that salvation is a gift of God that was bestowed on us through our faith, not because we earned it by works.
There is however a responsibility for Christians, post conversion, to put out the effort necessary to walk in love as Paul states clearly later in the chapter. That would be intellectual dishonesty or worse a shoddy mishandling of the Word of God. I think you would also be wise not to judge me regarding false teaching. What I teach is far more biblically substantiated than what you teach on this doctrine.
The doctrine you teach is actually dangerous because it can give people a false sense of security. The Bible warns us in numerous places to not take our salvation for granted and to do everything possible to stay on the narrow path. The choice is clear for all of us Christians. We either bear fruit worthy of repentance, or we get cut off and lose our salvation. I know a lot of Christians have been deceived about this but if the Church would embrace the truth, it would be much stronger and more effective.
Matthew is talking about false prophets. Yes 1 Corinthians 3 is talking about the Judgment seat of Christ. Works are judged. Ephesians tells us salvation is a gift from God through faith apart from works. Either you are saved and kept apart by God or you are saved and kept by your works. There is no mixture of the two. Notice the Bible is very particular about how and when a person is saved; when they repent and put their faith in the Lord Jesus because of His death on the cross and resurrection. Yet the Bible never talks about a person being unborn again after they are saved. The Bible never talks about a person being removed from the body of Christ or losing the seal of the Holy Spirit.
On the contrary the truth sets people free and the truth that salvation is a gift from God apart from works will never lead people to a false sense of security. Most of the quotes you list are not even related to this discussion. Of course, all the blessings of salvation you list are true. But even after you have put your faith in Christ and are born again, you can die again if you make no effort to keep yourself alive in Christ. Do you think God suddenly stops respecting our free will because one day we decided to believe in the Gospel?
You already said you believed in Jesus, so now you have to spend eternity with us in heaven like it or not. What he is saying is that we should run as if that were the case. We are ultimately saved if we stay in the race whether others can run faster than we or not. It is those who persevere to the end who win the crown of life. Sure, Jesus addresses false prophets in Mt. So you may have started out even bearing good fruit as a Christian, but if you fall away and start bearing bad fruit, you will be cut down and lose your salvation, unless you think there is a special fire for people like that in heaven.
It is the ones who do the will of the Father in Heaven who are welcome in the Kingdom. Read all the quotes I have given again, in fact, read the whole Bible again until you understand what God wants to convey about this vital issue. What do you think it means to have no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God due to regular practice of the works of the flesh rather than the works of God? Paul warned that the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience in Col.
Of course, the Bible teaches that salvation is a gift that could never be earned but it is clearly conditional. Even you must admit that in order to be saved you must place your faith in Jesus Christ and accept him as the Lord of your life.
Those who are of Christ will continue walking in Him. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. Timothy, my son, I give you this instruction in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by following them you may fight the good fight, holding on to faith and a good conscience. Some have rejected these and so have shipwrecked their faith. Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme. Of course, God is faithful to preserve us if we want to be preserved.
He will keep us in his hand if want to stay there. We must maintain our faith in Jesus Christ if we want to enjoy the benefits of salvation. We must remain faithful and true and obedient to Jesus Christ. Please do not dangerously deceive anyone by teaching them anything less. Martin it isnt as clear cut as we would like because you could be doing all the works and not be saved and i think that is who Jesus is speaking to they trusted in there works for eternal life they knew who Jesus was but didnt know him nor had a relationship with him.
In some way you see a clear picture of the jews they dont know Jesus but very clearly follow the law. Salvation is only through Jesus Christ. The word says if we love him we will obey his commands it is not out of fear as of under the law but out of love and devotion for what he has done for us.
I still think that we are saved to eternal life when we believe in Jesus Christ john Can we lose that salvation i believe so if we totally turn away from him by rejecting the conviction of the holy spirit in our lives. I say that because as a new christian i accepted Christ into my life and the holy spirit was convicting me to surrender my heart to him as Lord and i was resisting him i would not surrender to him fully and so he gave me a choice to either accept him or reject him.
I believe he gives everyone the chance to make that commitment as Lord of there life. When we make that deeper commitment and follow him he will continue to perfect us through his holy spirit so that we conform to his image. By the way i knew that if i rejected him at that point that was it he would never bother me again i would have been eternally lost the thought was terrifying at the time. There was definitely a spiritual battle being fought over me i was very aware i needed to decide which side i was on. Thankfully i chose the winning one. I am not preaching a salvation by works doctrine.
Who is to say what the exact circumstances are of the people that Jesus rejects in that parable. But the topic of this discussion is whether a Christian can lose salvation. Outwardly, at least, these people would have been considered Christians and they were even doing what they and others would consider to be Christian work. It does prove as you suggest that works alone are not enough to save anyone, and scripture clearly supports that concept.
James tells us that both faith and works are vital. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you? God is not desperate to take anyone into the Kingdom even if they are defiant, disrespectful, or even apathetic.
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Remember the guy who tried to get into the wedding feast without the proper attire? Jesus spits the lukewarm out of his mouth. God has offered us a gift beyond all comprehension. If we spurn it, we forfeit it. How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? You took the offer seriously and it has changed your life. You illustrate what I was referring to earlier in that you were initially terrified and motivated by fear of missing out on salvation, but now you understand more the motivation of love. A healthy balance of both will enable us to endure to the end.
Mt 24 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. Many people refuse to do their part in their own salvation, because they love their sin. The struggle is dying to yourself and letting the Lord save you. Some of us have to die daily, until we overcome, or at least until the Lord gives us a final victory. Even then we also know satan returns to try to drag us back when we think the coast is clear.
Some sins we repent and never do again. But there is a single basic besetting sin each of us has a struggle with maybe until the day we leave here.
Yes, when we walk in the Spirit, its so natural not to sin. What cha gonna do? I say we all make our decision to keep on fighting. The Lord is encouraging the saints to persevere, put on the armour of God, be vigilant. We certainly have our salvation, guard it. All of it. Let us learn from what he is saying to and about others. I hope you can understand the spirit in which I am saying this. Thanks, man.
Thanks for clarifying. Rick i struggled for over 20 years as a christian in the end i said whats the point of struggling i feel powerless and useless so i gave in to sin that didnt work either but i was so sick of struggling and seeing the same results i became more miserable and even more powerless in my struggle with sin.
I decided one day no more enough was enough i needed to get my life back in order. That was years ago and it was a process over 5 years that God dealt with all those things in my life that needed fixing most days i just said to him Lord i cant do this i just dont have the strength and he said thats okay you cant do it anyway just trust me. So now now i l know what it means to be an overcomer in Christ sin does not have the victory over me anymore because Jesus is my strength in my weakness.
I know i cant live a christian life in my strength but i certainly can with Christ in me he is my strength and in him i am an overcomer. If this is speaking to others just want to let you know that you to can be an overcomer you dont have to struggle or battle with your walk or feel miserable because you give in to sin there is a better way. Just admit that you cant do it and ask for his help for the holy spirit is in you and he is the one who helps us in our weakness.
Martin in the parable of the wedding feast the mans clothing speaks of righteousness the jewish tradition is that the bridegroom gives all his guests wedding robes to wear he wasnt wearing them. Which suggests he wasnt clothed in Christ righteousness he also didnt know the bridegroom otherwise out of respect he would have worn the robes so he was cast out. To me it is still speaking of the Jews who do not see Christ as there messiah or savior. Though it has application to all of us in regard to putting on the new man like cloths we are born again not of the flesh but of the spirit.
I still think that we are saved by faith when we believe in Jesus Christ as in john We have that assurance that we are saved not by what we do but by what Christ has done for us. Once that commitment has been made the Holy spirit work is to bring us into conformity with Christ. If we choose to go our own way he will discipline us sin has consequences its to bring us back into line because he loves us but that doesnt mean we are not saved.
Because when we were still sinners he died for us we must repent and turn from our sin we know when we sin the holy spirit convicts us we feel guilty and condemned. To me the focus on earth is to be overcomers in Christ know his power at work in our liveS on a daily basis. For sin shall not have dominion over us. If we are faithful to Christ in that respect we shall be rewarded but it isnt for the reward but it is for our love of Jesus. In a way we dont deserve anything anyway as all we have has been give to us from the Lord and to him who is worthy we give him praise.
What we need to teach them is to get their hearts right with God before it is too late. That is the true message of love. The Bible is very clear and specific about how a person is saved. If there was such a thing as a Christian losing their salvation the Bible would be equally as clear and specific about such a critical issue. The Bible clearly speaks of one being born again John , but it never speaks of one being unborn again.
The Bible tells us that if any is in Christ they are a new creature in Christ Jesus 2 Corinthians The Bible never speaks of one going from being a new creature in Christ Jesus back to the old person he was before. The Bible says we have been we have been baptized into Christ Romans , 1 Corinthians , but nowhere does the Bible say anyone can be taken out of Christ. The Bible tells us we are citizens of the household of God Ephesians , but it never mentions anyone leaving the household of God. The Bible would clearly and specifically tell us is if there was something a person could do cause them to lose their salvation.
You noted the 1 Timothy reference to those being delivered unto Satan and the 1 Timothy reference to some are already turned aside after Satan, yet neither passage says anything about a Christian losing their salvation. If you compare Colossians with Ephesians you would see that the children of disobedience refers to people who have never been saved. You yank passages out the gospels that doctrinally apply to the Jews and the nation of Israel and try to place them in the church age.
There are many truths and principles for us in the gospels, but this is before the cross. Doctrine for the church age primarily comes from the Pauline epistles. Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures. Cross referenced with Romans we see that the day of redemption is when we get our new bodies. Jude 1 tells us we are preserved in Jesus Christ. Salvation is a gift from God Ephesians This includes forgiveness of sins Ephesians 1: 7, 1 Corinthians and eternal life Romans If you can lose it, then its not eternal life.
Things that are commonly understood are often not reiterated. The only reason you see it is because you interpret what he is saying in the light of what you want to believe. You tautologically assign new meaning to his terminology to support your view. Where do you get that from? The simple unadulterated meaning is that God offers the gift of a life forever with him. Okay, I had a good laugh at that one, but all I will say is that brother, if you knew the scriptures, we would not be having this discussion. See what you are doing? Anything that Jesus says that contradicts your pet doctrine, does not apply to the church age.
And do you not remember? Well, Paul says that if that person falls away yet another metaphor for loss of salvation and begins to produce thorns and thistles, its end is to be burned another metaphor for loss of salvation. Heb 6 4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Wow, that last part sounds like what Jesus said. Paul accepted his teachings as valid for him. I gave you many citations of the vast repository available which would at least give most people pause to maybe rethink their position biblically but you chide me for leaving a particular one out. How do you know what happened as a result of 1 Cor ? Paul is not saying that the destruction of the flesh by Satan necessarily leads to salvation.
What he is saying is that hopefully the man will learn his lesson and repent so that he may ultimately be saved.
Can A Christian Lose Their Salvation?
Man, I hope you can see that. Yes, I know God is faithful and he is able to preserve us and keep us from falling and all that. But it is understood that this applies to those who want to stay in relationship with God. If you demand of me that every little detail be spelled out in scripture, then you must abide by that same exigency.
Why can I not read into scripture what is obvious and you grant yourself the luxury of reading into it what is obscure? If you liken my doctrine of salvation to probation, then yours is akin to incarceration. Because according to your view, even if people who were once saved, no longer want anything to do with God, they will be forced to spend eternity with him. What is it that causes you to cling so desperately to this potentially damaging doctrine which puts you in a league with antinomians and gnostics? The biblical view of salvation is not about earning salvation through works but about obedience to Jesus Christ and taking up our cross and following him no matter what the cost.
There is no negative consequence in terms of eternity to encouraging people to maintain their faith in Jesus and resist evil and stand firm against the wiles of the devil until we are called home. But your doctrine which I admit is popular among the itchy eared anything goes crowd can quickly be misinterpreted and cause especially the weak to give up when the battle gets tough because after all, they will be saved anyway.
It easily leads to lackadaisical, weak, and compromised Christianity. And that is if you are right.
siopresissergui.ga What if you are wrong? You may be guilty of leading people astray and causing them to lose their salvation. It is so important for us to be assured of our salvation. We need to confirm our own faith. If we are not sure we are born again, we need to examine ourselves, and make sure. The heart is deceitful above all things. When we start seeing the fruit of repentance,then we can know the tree, especially in our own lives. The Lord knows His own. He warns us of those who did good works,but He says of some depart from me ye workers of iniquity I never knew you.
The Lord gave us these warnings so we could beware and make correction. Even as a child we can come to understand these things. Yes, Rich. We must continue to exercise the same faith that got us saved in the first place. We are saved by faith, not assurance. We are also assured by faith in God. All those warnings like the one you mentioned are designed to cause us to examine ourselves that we are in the faith.
It is not that we doubt the power of God, but we realize that the flesh is weak and we can be lead astray as happened to many in the Bible. Paul, at the end of his ministry, was still working it out with fear and trembling. Craig, bro, I get excited reading all the scriptures you have posted. Martin, when we were kids, every time the preacher preached we went down to the altar, little sister included, until the day came when we knew we were born again. After that, we still went down but prayed for others that came down.
The key to it is being born again, you gotta make sure for your ownself. Hey bro. Never be ashamed to go down for yourself if you need to. Martin, I can imagine how you can feel you can lose your salvation. Maybe because you have been over the edge of the cliff much further than either of us, and experienced the impossibility of coming back from it. What if Jesus never came for you? Could someone lose their salvation?